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Re: Caroline - 10 years ago
Little Nell said: QuoteI doubt that the fact that a 15yr old almost eloped would have created that great a scandal especially given her dowry and connections. A 5 minute wonder maybe but it would not have created any great stir and certainly not affected her chances to any great extent. It could not be compared to Lydia who had left her family and lived with a man for a week or so outside marriagby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Caroline - 10 years ago
Not bunk at all Jean, an opinion. Amongst any plans anyone may have had for Georgiana, it must be remembered that, whilst she was tall and well-formed, she was but sixteen years old. She was also, as the meeting with Lizzie showed, unassuming and gentle in manner and also somewhat reserved and hesitant in coming forward. Personally, after the Wickham affair, I'd be tempted to think Darcy wouldn'by Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Caroline - 10 years ago
I think possibly, Agnes, that film and T.V adaptations tend to affect our judgements on characters that Jane Austen described quite sketchily. Caroline wouldn't be far off Charles Bingley's age presumably, and probably younger than Darcy at twenty seven. Anna Chancelor, ( Jane Austen's real-life descendant) who played Caroline in the 1995 B.B.C version was twenty nine when she took the part and waby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Georgiana's establishment - 10 years ago
In fairness, Beatrice, Jane Austen didn't clarify beyond what she wrote "An establishment was formed for her in London, and the lady who presided over it...."etc. I agree it seems a bit pointless to be anywhere than Darcy's house (we know he had this from his conversation with Sir William Lucas) but there are several alternatives to understanding it. An establishment can mean several things: Youby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Jim: the circle around the arts; Charles: the circle around Darcy - 10 years ago
I know exactly where you're coming from with most of the above Jim. I'm an old man now and I've read so many books I think I burned my brain out. We were passing Hank Janson around at school back in the fifties before they became banned material. A lot of supposed police procedural stuff today is a let down, but Quintin Jardine and Ian Rankin's Scottish police novels are worth reading. I like Johnby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Caroline - 10 years ago
I think a good insight into Caroline Bingley can be gained via the people around her. Darcy is a very wealthy and influential member of the social set Caroline aspires to. He is young, exceedingly wealthy, described as handsome and with superior taste and high connections in society. His home, Pemberley in itself a powerful motivation, as shown by its effect on Elizabeth at first sight, is an unby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Their lack of knowledge - 10 years ago
All quite true and relevant Suzanne (except that Darcy did say "about a year ago" when telling Lizzie of the Ramsgate affair) . It's Bingley's age in comparison with Darcy that's a bit puzzling. They're obviously close friends from their conversations. From such converstions it would appear Bingley is well educated, as well as his sisters. I might possibly have expected some trace of an accent froby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Jim: the circle around the arts; Charles: the circle around Darcy - 10 years ago
Jim D. Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh my God! Another Mike Connelly fan!! What do > you think of the new Bosch TV series? > > JIM D. Ha, yes, I'm a Connelly fan. I've read most of the Bosch novels (currently got The Overlook from the local library and I may have read it already, but re-reading is no hassle to me-hence Jane Austen). I'm also a biby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: In Darcy's brain - 10 years ago
I think you've hit on one of Jane Austen's main attractions,Sandy, that I mentioned in another post,ie that of leaving things out of her stories for us to use imagination on. Lady Catherine talks to Lizzie about Darcy being ostracised by "the family" if he marries her, seeming to indicate that such family is quite large. The fact that Darcy comes into contact with none of them, Lady C and Colonelby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: In Darcy's brain - 10 years ago
Sandy C Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is what the book says in the letter Darcy > wrote to Elizabeth > > There is but one part of my conduct > in the whole affair on which I do not reflect > with satisfaction; it is that I condescended to > adopt the measures of art > so far as to conceal from him your sister’s > being in town. Iby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Jim: the circle around the arts; Charles: the circle around Darcy - 10 years ago
"Finally, no offense to the ladies, but it's kinda fun to have these discussions with another guy! JIM" Amen to that Jim. (-: I'm confessing that although I've read all Jane Austen's novela, Pride and Prejudice is by far my favourite. I have three books always within reach, The Bible, The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam and Pride and Prejudice. I'll say that it's actually what Jane Austen doesn't tellby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Their lack of knowledge - 10 years ago
Yes, I know this, Debra. Ooutise of Darcy and Georgiana, only Colonel Fitzwilliam knew of it apart from Mrs Younge and Wickham. (I'd imagine Darcy had threatened death and destruction if word of it had got out from either of them) My (idle) query was did Darcy meet the Bingley's before it happened or after, to ascertain how long they had known each other? I'd be tempted to think ( without any proby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: In Darcy's brain - 10 years ago
I think all the actions of Caroline and Louisa were typical of their general characters and behaviour than just put on for Jane. She was likeable but to be taken in small doses and at a distance. Her cold/flu became an inconvenience to them when Bingley made so much fuss and paid great attention to her. It may have not been so irritable to Caroline but for her dislike/jealousy of Darcy's attentioby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: In Darcy's brain - 10 years ago
Hello Pearl. I doubt if Darcy was anywhere around ( luckily) when Jane visited Caroline. Devious Caroline , who we must remember was in confidence with him about the whole Bingley affair, would inform him and probably tell him she had no plans for Jane to visit again. Darcy also later admitted his plans had initially included a match between Bingley and Georgiana, his sister. Jane, not as perceptby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Jim: the circle around the arts; Charles: the circle around Darcy - 10 years ago
Jim D. Greetings. I don't ask you to do anything but accept my opinons as just such and nothing more. (-: Lizzie say's of Jane: You never see a fault in any body. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes. I never heard you speak ill of a human being in my life.'' I do but be realistic in saying all the Bennets girls lead very sheltered lives. Apart from the odd walk/shopping trip to Meby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: For every Willoughby... - 10 years ago
Hi, Little Nell. No, I didn't really mean to imply Bingley asking Jane anything directly, just going back and trying to gauge her reception towards him (which we know would have been positive even though he didn't). Since not a word of love had been spoken and not even a hand touch beyond the dance floor, how would it be different if he just accepted Mrs Bennet's invitation to dine with the familby Jim G.M - Tea Room
For every Willoughby... - 10 years ago
.....there's an Edward Ferrar, a Colonel Brandon, a Mr Knightly etc. Those perspectives are a little far apart. As far apart in fact as J.A's heroines and her Fanny Dahwoods. There's also a section of maledom that's neither. An ordinary man who might not go around seducing attractive women but won't cover his eyes when one passes. Jane Austen almost let Bingley drop his perfect persona when he deby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Someone like Willoughby, for example? - 10 years ago
Graciale said: I will also point that neither Darcy, nor the rest of Jane Austen's heroes are cheerful rakes who get some person inebriated, and shoot a chandelier down." I must remember not to joke when mentioning Jane's heroes then, or make those funny little smilie things at the end of my posts. I stand chastised.by Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Jim: the circle around the arts; Charles: the circle around Darcy - 10 years ago
"He was quite young, wonderfully handsome, extremely agreeable" Whereas, in truth, I'm not really any of those things....(-: Jane Austen had a wonderful sense of creating her players with totally different personalities and also exagerating their characters almost to ridicule . Mr Collins, Lady Catherine, Mrs Bennet, and Lydia etc, are great examples of this. In Bingley, to fit Jane's almost angby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Cracked up over this one - 10 years ago
Femme Malheureuse Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I admit being greatly amused by the nature of the > first respondents when this question was posted > What would you have done, gentlemen, in > Bingley's shoes? > Being all the wrong things for wimpism in general attitude, I still dance, write, draw, paint, build model ships and have been known to qby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: I'm confused - 10 years ago
Suzanne O: That all sounds very much as it should be historically and via references. Film adaptations do use a large amount of artistic licence which generally isn't too detrimental, but the last version pushed a few boundaries with period, style and leaving out characters as well as making everything over- rural. ( I.M.O) Jane Austen's book is of course always canon and I honestly believe ( anby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: I'm confused - 10 years ago
I'll try to simplify the question. Forget the assembly/balls bit. The Bennets ( in most cases) did seem to follow and observe the general rules of etiquette and good manners of the upper/middle class, and it's probably the visual influence put out by film producers that gives a false impression. I suppose I'm seeing the formal rites of Bath and London as following the dictum of not allowing theby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Out. - 10 years ago
Accepting what everyone knows, that we take the general concept of "out" to refer to society and when young women emerged into it and thus put themselves in the marriage window, it would "seem" that Georgiana Darcy isn't yet out at sixteen, but Lydia Bennet is so at fifteen (at the start of the story). Moving away from the book for a moment and looking at the film adaptations, the Kiera Knightleyby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Georgiana's establishment - 10 years ago
Accepting what you say, Rosie J, it must be remembered that London was also a major port and comprised warehouses, a busy river trade,factories and a fairly large number of people below middle-class. (Cockney accents?) and that the fashionable West End was but a segment of it. It was little or no different than any other city except in size and population. Of that population, the percentage of itby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Why Georgiana would (or might) live separately from her brother - 10 years ago
Redson wrote: "About a year ago, she was taken from school, and an establishment formed for her in London; and last summer she went with the lady who presided over it, to Ramsgate;" As you so rightly say, Jane Austen leaves some things unclarified. The truth after Ramsgate must remain clouded, but it was the section above, and the knowledge that Mrs Younge ran a boarding house in London later thby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Georgiana's establishment - 10 years ago
People of Darcy's rank and class traveled often. Quite true, but we're talking about a sixteen year old girl here and not fifty miles, but a hundred and fifty. Expense is also not an issue for Darcy; for the Collin's, as Lizzie points out, more so. Darcy claims "fifty miles of good roads", which in 1813 was not quite the case. Roads were good in part, but Telford and Macadam , the people mainly rby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Georgiana's establishment - 10 years ago
Okay, fair enough. A couple of points just for interest: Firstly, it must be admitted that we don't really know and much is assumed about Georgiana's residence. (also that it doesn't totally affect what Bingley did during the eight months in question) or affect the story too much. What we do know is that Bingley is an inmate in Darcy's house and Georgiana is there, whether from staying there or eby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: Georgiana's establishment - 10 years ago
Not having taken part in any previous conversations on this topic, I'm also of the opinion the above is correct. There is a strong probability that Georgiana Darcy had her own quarters in the house of her brother when in London. It would seem rather unnecessary to own or even rent anything extensive, or be in rooms, as Georgiana was still but a minor, and Darcy already owned a property there. Whoby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: The missing eight months - 10 years ago
Harvey S wrote: "I am not sure that we are supposed to trust Miss Bingley's notes to Jane, so for all we know he spent very little time at Darcy's house" One thing that may give a clue to that; Caroline initially stated they followed Bingley down to London to avoid him having to spend his time alone: "we have determined on following him thither, that he may not be obliged to spend his vacant houby Jim G.M - Tea Room
Re: The missing eight months - 10 years ago
Harvey S. Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am not sure that we are supposed to trust Miss > Bingley's notes to Jane, so for all we know he > spent very little time at Darcy's house and I > wouldn't reject the idea that Miss Darcy couldn't > pick him out of a crowd. He might have been > building ships in a bottle the entire time. Or > inventingby Jim G.M - Tea Room