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Oh, then I was confused, - 10 years ago

I knew originally you were talking about Mr. Bennet’s perspective, but I thought that in your outside the box, post when you started talking about Darcy’s care of Bingley that you had shifted gears and were exploring the possibility of Darcy actually being gay. So you were only exploring the possibility that Elizabeth shared this perspective at one time – is that right? QuoteRe: In this line of r
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Re: Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well? - 10 years ago

If he’s worried that Darcy is gay or worried about his wife’s reaction he can’t truthfully reply “none at all”. It would be misleading at best if he had other reasons for concern, even if they were concerns for the future rather than immediate ones. Lizzy and her father aren’t exactly alike. There are things that embarrass her and amuse him, especially when it comes to her mother. Also, in this c
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Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning... - 10 years ago

Do you really think that Darcy, who is such a careful guardian of his sister, would want her married to a man he expected to not only be unfaithful but to be unfaithful with another man (given the attitudes of the time), even if that other man was himself? You don’t think he would have the same concerns for his sister that Mr. Bennet would have for his daughter?
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Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again - 10 years ago

QuoteRe: Why is one man so concerned about which woman another man pursues? Darcy and Bingley are not family. But, it is probably as the colonel indicates, only that Darcy takes care of his friend. Just that, innocent, nothing more. But Austin gives us more explanation: QuoteTo no creature had it been revealed, where secresy was possible, except to Elizabeth; and from all Bingley's connexions he
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Re: Consider a third party's input as a factor - 10 years ago

But, if Mr. Bennet had any reason other than Lizzy’s dislike of Darcy to be concerned he would lying when he said, “None at all.” Mr. Bennet has his faults but he is not one to shy away from the truth and as I said in another post there are ways he could have brought it up. As to a third party: Given the way everyone in Meryton is so eager to think badly of Darcy I can’t believe a rumor like that
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Re: Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?) - 10 years ago

I enjoyed the discussion – it was interesting As to how Mr. Bennet would have reacted if it was a different daughter. To be fair, he might not have had as much reason for concern if it hadn’t been Lizzy. QuoteI know your disposition, Lizzy. I know that you could be neither happy nor respectable unless you truly esteemed your husband -- unless you looked up to him as a superior. Your lively tale
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one more thought Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that." - 10 years ago

Quote"Have you any other objections," said Elizabeth, "than your belief of my indifference?" "None at all. We all know him to be a proud, unpleasant sort of a man; but this would be nothing if you really liked him." I can see where his second sentence could be considered evasive/turning it back on Lizzy but “None at all” is pretty clear. If he has another concern than it would be untrue to say
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Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that." - 10 years ago

Another possibility is that Mr. Bennet has spent more time with Darcy than we are told of in the book. We know that over the course of a fortnight Jane and Bingley dined together in company four times and we know from what Miss Bingley said later that Darcy was present on at least one of those occasions (when they all dinned together at Netherfield). I would think there’s a reasonably good chance
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Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that." - 10 years ago

IMO thinking that Lizzy dislikes Darcy is a stronger reason for Mr. Bennet to worry that she’ll be unhappy than thinking he’s gay. Quotelet me not have the grief of seeing you unable to respect your partner in life I take this to mean Mr. Bennet doesn’t want Lizzy to make the same mistake he did. To me it’s a poignant moment; we get a brief look at what’s behind the humor he usually arms himse
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Re: The importance of Mr Bennet and Mr Collins.... - 10 years ago

I must put in a word for Mrs. Jennings from Sense and Sensibility. Her misunderstanding with Elinor cracked me up (especially since it wasn’t the sort of book where I expected it.) I always think of P&P as having the most humor but when I reread others I find myself thinking I’d forgotten how much humor it contained, yet none of them seem to capture my imagination, in the can't get enough wa
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Re: The importance of Mr Bennet and Mr Collins.... - 10 years ago

I heard in an interview somewhere that one of her nieces had said Mr. Bennet was the character that most resembled Jane Austen (but I can’t remember where I heard it and can’t vouch for weather it’s valid.) Then there is this: QuoteLetter to Cassandra, Steventon: Saturday (October 27, 1978) Mrs. Hall, of Sherborne, was brought to bed yesterday of a dead child, some weeks before she expected, owin
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Re: Mocking - 10 years ago

I pretty much agree with what you say here. Only it seems to me that the way Charlotte operates is 1- she keeps Mr. Collins occupied in a way that keeps him happy and allows him to believe they are of like minds, 2-focuses on the things that make her happy like her housekeeping and poultry and 3-doing what she can to forward his career. Mocking him would at best focus her attention on what makes
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Re: Mocking - 10 years ago

In the same spirit: I find her characters more realistic than you do. I can easily imagine meeting any of them in real life. JA is an astute observer of human behavior and to me this is what makes her books so enjoyable. The follies and nonsense of everyday people provide, IMO, more comedy than caricatures ever could. Lizzy and Darcy are heroic because they have realistic human flaws and learn to
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Re: Amytat, I agree with you - 10 years ago

I got distracted in the middle of my post and failed to refresh my screen when I came back (bad habit of mine). Your post was clear – I just didn’t see it till later. –sorry if that made it seem like I didn’t understand we were making the same point.
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Error? Did things get a little muddled here? - 10 years ago

I know this thread started off being about The Hunsford Tales but I thought in this sub-thread we were talking about Charlotte as Jane Austen wrote her? If your description of your motivation for writing the fanfic sparked debate on opinions of the characters in the original, I hope you don’t take that as a reflection on the fanfic. Of course our fanfics are going to be influenced by our impressi
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Mocking - 10 years ago

Certainly she marries for security without affection but I wouldn’t go so far as to say she mocks him. Re: Charlotte freely admits spending as little time as possible in contact with Mr Collins I may have missed something but I think most of that is Lizzy’s observation, Charlotte admits to encouraging him to garden but she never says it's for the purpose of avoiding him. I don’t take that as mo
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Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed? - 10 years ago

Re: “…Mrs. Bennet often had her own way because she wore down Mr. Bennet…” He seems to me to be able to hold fast when it’s something he cares about. He doesn’t like town so they don’t go. She wants to go to Brighton and they don’t go. He doesn’t want to go into debt so he keeps her from exceeding their income. She wants him to make Lizzy marry Mr. Collins and he doesn’t do it. She wants wedding
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Re: I could not agree more. ? - 10 years ago

QuoteJean M. writes ...a female was entirely dependent on her father or guardian, and then later on her husband, to see to the family's financial well-being. And since this is the case, Mr. Bennet must realize that if his daughters don’t marry before he dies they will be dependent on relatives. In addition to the points already raised, it bothers me that, by not providing for his family, Mr. Benn
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Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins - 10 years ago

When does Charolette mock him? And by "ignores him" do you mean her aranging things so that they spend as little time together as possible? (I can't think of any examples of her ignoring him when he's speaking to her.)
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Re: Hunsford. - 10 years ago

So far I’ve only read the first one but I liked it and look forward to reading more. You write Mr. Collins well (that’s one character I really haven’t been able capture in my own fan-fiction.) You speak of giving him a make-over but, at least in the first story, he strikes me more as the same person but from his own perspective instead of an outside one. In other words a good balance between doing
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