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Re: as a fanfic plot...

April 27, 2015 06:32AM
Red,

> Now, given how angry Darcy should be at Wickham,
> should he not completely cut the man? Look right
> through him? But that is not quite what follows.
>
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Elizabeth happening to see the countenance
> of both as they looked at each other, was all
> astonishment at the effect of the meeting. Both
> changed colour, one looked white, the other red.
> Mr. Wickham, after a few moments, touched his hat
> -- a salutation which Mr. Darcy just deigned to
> return.
>

That has, I admit, occurred to me. But the "direct cut" was regarded as and extreme remedy, and even led to dueling challenges.

As a newcomer in the community, not wanting to embarrass his host, or cause a scene, Darcy observed the absolute minimum amount of civility in order to avoid public unpleasantness.

Which is a lot more likely than your suggestion:

> Indifference is cold, but there is a thin line
> between love and hate. This first meeting of
> Darcy and Wickham in canon is hot, not awash in
> apathy or dismissive contempt. The men are
> affected by each other. Could this be the first
> meeting of two erstwhile lovers who parted badly?
> Now they see each in the company of another man.
> Awkward.

Men saw each other with men commonly and still do. You're reaching for something that isn't there.

> And why does not Darcy, in the days that follow,
> blacken Wickham's name with, well, the truth if it
> is indeed true that Wickham attempted to
> compromise the innocent Georgiana and is known to
> deviously dally with the daughters of lower-ranked
> families?

Neither does Lizzy once she's in on the truth. Does that mean she's lesbian?

He doesn't say anything because he doesn't want to expose his sister publicly. That's his explanation, and it's the most likely.

> But, you say, our dear Darcy would not lie. To
> the contrary, mon ami, the man lies big by
> omission in Pride and Prejudice. He disguises his
> interest in Elizabeth, which traditionally we
> think of as he was falling in love with her but
> might also be explained as his reluctance to
> approach her with his request, although he knows
> she would be a far better beard than other choices
> (Caroline or Anne). He is reluctant because it is
> hard to take her into his confidence. This is
> briar patch to be delicately navigated if one
> wishes to avoid being scratched but get the
> berries. Maybe Darcy is dancing about her until
> he finally decides he can ask and then blurts out
> his ungainly proposal, in which only the first
> lines make an overboard attempt to woo,
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"In
> vain have I struggled. It will not do. My feelings
> will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell
> you how ardently I admire and love you."
> It's stiff and hardly poetic.

That's because Darcy is stiff, and hardly poetic. And, while it wasn't recommended procedure for winning a girl's heart, what he says about her family is actually pretty strong proof that he really feels a passionate affection that all the objections he can conceive of can't overcome.

He doesn't need a beard. He needs Lizzy to love him.

> And everything that follows in this woe-begotten
> proposal is insulting and cold. Really, is this a
> man in love--or a man in need?

If he was really in need of a beard, he would have wooed her with far less brutal sincerity. The very bluntness of his honesty proves his regard.

> See my comment in this thread under the subject
> line of "It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it
> straight" for an explanation of why Caroline and
> Anne would not be good marriage choices for a gay
> Darcy, while Elizabeth, from a family of women
> living near the precipice of genteel
> impoverishment, would be perfect.

Elizabeth would be the very worst choice simply because she's intelligent and perceptive (once she stops letting her prejudice get in the way of her perception), and because she wants to marry for affection.

And Darcy's sharp enough to know all this. If he has some terrible secret he wants to keep under wraps, Lizzy's intelligent enough to figure out that secret, and wold be hurt enough when she figured out how she'd been duped, that his secret might not be all that secret any longer.

If things were as you insist, he'd never make that choice. He'd be better off with Lydia, who's too ditzy to figure it out, and to in love with wealth and fashion to care even if she did.

JIM D.
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"...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 01:50PM

Consider a third party's input as a factor

Femme MalheureuseApril 21, 2015 08:34PM

Re: Consider a third party's input as a factor

AmytatApril 21, 2015 11:50PM

Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 01:09AM

Re: Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:47AM

Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 21, 2015 09:59PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

AmytatApril 22, 2015 12:03AM

Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:31AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:17AM

Chapter 45

AmytatApril 27, 2015 08:14PM

Re: Chapter 45

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:43PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 27, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:45PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 28, 2015 12:32AM

Sorry to cause confusion!

AmytatApril 28, 2015 01:04AM

No problem, Amytat. I only brought it up for Jim D's sake. (nfm)

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:16AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 28, 2015 12:44AM

But that would not explain why Darcy wanted to marry Elizabeth.

GracielaApril 22, 2015 10:07PM

as a fanfic plot...

Harvey S.April 22, 2015 09:45PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 11:36PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:32AM

Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 27, 2015 12:05PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:51PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:25AM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 28, 2015 03:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 22, 2015 11:26AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:47AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 11:51AM

To clarify somewhat better...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 12:11PM

Re: To clarify somewhat better...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:20PM

Okay, Agnes, let me try again

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:32PM

Re: Okay, Agnes, let me try again

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 08:31PM

If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

AmytatApril 25, 2015 03:22AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:36AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:47AM

Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 27, 2015 08:47PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 28, 2015 09:50AM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 28, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:25AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:19AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:59PM

I meant so would he also be in good hands (nfm)

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:34AM

* snort! * (nfm) (nfm)

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:51AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Harvey S.April 21, 2015 11:13PM

Glad to provide some food for thought

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:50AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 21, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:40AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 10:52AM

Oh, then I was confused,

AmytatApril 22, 2015 02:32AM

It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 22, 2015 03:19AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:53PM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 25, 2015 02:13AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

MarionApril 22, 2015 11:41PM

Is that true about Catholic priests? They only look at women...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:27AM

Life in England in 1813

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 11:51AM

And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

GracielaApril 22, 2015 04:46AM

Re: And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

AmytatApril 23, 2015 12:05AM

Ha, ha! I read your story and was wondering

GracielaApril 23, 2015 05:40PM

Can't write what one can't conceive

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:26AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jean M.April 20, 2015 10:25PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

MarionApril 20, 2015 01:49AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Redson26April 20, 2015 02:45AM

Apologies--I mistyped my name as Redson 26

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:22AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 03:09PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:23PM

Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:46AM

Re: Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

AmytatApril 21, 2015 12:09AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 09:22PM

one more thought Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 11:00PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 08:53PM

Oh, wow!

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 06:33PM

And to add to that...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:31PM

JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

Janice H.April 19, 2015 07:34PM

Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 09:30PM

Re: Really?

Janice HApril 23, 2015 02:58PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 10:02PM

Re: Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:21PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 11:15PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

GabbyCApril 19, 2015 09:12PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:05PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 03:01PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 10:11PM

Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Rae ElaineApril 19, 2015 09:04PM

Re: Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:42PM



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