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Consider a third party's input as a factor

April 21, 2015 08:34PM
Even after numerous replies days after the original post, there's not an absolute consensus about Mr. Bennet's opinion of Darcy, only a strong leaning toward one direction rather than the other.

This is, in itself, a position. Austen's presentation of Fitzwilliam Darcy leaves us with a cryptic cipher, an incomplete characterization, not at all uncommon among Byronic hero protagonists. But Austen leaves us with incomplete realizations of many characters, providing rather broad sketches with ample room for assumptions.

If it were not for these gaps she left, there would be far less opportunity for fan fiction. Austen's writing allows room for fanon, versus her own set canon.

Perhaps I've missed it, but this Is He/Isn't He analysis so far has not considered the impact another person's opinion may have had on Mr. Bennet.

Chapter 3:
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"...His character was decided. He was the proudest, most disagreeable man in the world, and everybody hoped that he would never come there again. Amongst the most violent against him was Mrs. Bennet, whose dislike of his general behaviour was sharpened into particular resentment by his having slighted one of her daughters."

Of course this slight to Elizabeth had been overheard, including Charles Bingley's exhortation to Darcy, "I hate to see you standing about by yourself in this stupid manner," capped by "I would not be so fastidious as you are..."

Mrs. Bennet closes the third chapter for us, forced by her spouse to change the subject from fine apparel at the Assembly:

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"But I can assure you," she added, "that Lizzy does not lose much by not suiting his fancy; for he is a most disagreeable, horrid man, not at all worth pleasing. So high and so conceited that there was no enduring him! He walked here, and he walked there, fancying himself so very great! Not handsome enough to dance with! I wish you had been there, my dear, to have given him one of your set-downs. I quite detest the man."

Darcy comes off as a mule in comparison to Charles by the end of the third chapter. With another 58 chapters ahead, Elizabeth has plenty of time and even more evidence ahead to sketch Darcy's true character a few times over – but all out of her father's sight. And until Darcy's second proposal is accepted, there's little Mrs. Bennet actually sees to change her sentiments toward him.

Now imagine anticipating decades ahead, living with Mrs. Bennet's infamous nerves every time she had to deal with what she saw as a proud and disagreeable son-in-law – on top of the perceived slight(s) to your favorite daughter, whom other respected neighborhood men may see as “brightest jewel of the country.” If you were Mr. Bennet, how would you caution your daughter upon a proposal of marriage?

[All said, I'm on the fence. I could be persuaded Darcy and Charles were very, very close...

Or I could be convinced that Darcy was so violently in love – all three agápe, éros, philía – that he ignored society's expectations.

Or both. *mic drop*]
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"...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 01:50PM

Consider a third party's input as a factor

Femme MalheureuseApril 21, 2015 08:34PM

Re: Consider a third party's input as a factor

AmytatApril 21, 2015 11:50PM

Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 01:09AM

Re: Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:47AM

Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 21, 2015 09:59PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

AmytatApril 22, 2015 12:03AM

Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:31AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:17AM

Chapter 45

AmytatApril 27, 2015 08:14PM

Re: Chapter 45

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:43PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 27, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:45PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 28, 2015 12:32AM

Sorry to cause confusion!

AmytatApril 28, 2015 01:04AM

No problem, Amytat. I only brought it up for Jim D's sake. (nfm)

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:16AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 28, 2015 12:44AM

But that would not explain why Darcy wanted to marry Elizabeth.

GracielaApril 22, 2015 10:07PM

as a fanfic plot...

Harvey S.April 22, 2015 09:45PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 11:36PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:32AM

Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 27, 2015 12:05PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:51PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:25AM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 28, 2015 03:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 22, 2015 11:26AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:47AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 11:51AM

To clarify somewhat better...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 12:11PM

Re: To clarify somewhat better...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:20PM

Okay, Agnes, let me try again

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:32PM

Re: Okay, Agnes, let me try again

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 08:31PM

If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

AmytatApril 25, 2015 03:22AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:36AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:47AM

Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 27, 2015 08:47PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 28, 2015 09:50AM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 28, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:25AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:19AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:59PM

I meant so would he also be in good hands (nfm)

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:34AM

* snort! * (nfm) (nfm)

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:51AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Harvey S.April 21, 2015 11:13PM

Glad to provide some food for thought

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:50AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 21, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:40AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 10:52AM

Oh, then I was confused,

AmytatApril 22, 2015 02:32AM

It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 22, 2015 03:19AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:53PM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 25, 2015 02:13AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

MarionApril 22, 2015 11:41PM

Is that true about Catholic priests? They only look at women...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:27AM

Life in England in 1813

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 11:51AM

And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

GracielaApril 22, 2015 04:46AM

Re: And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

AmytatApril 23, 2015 12:05AM

Ha, ha! I read your story and was wondering

GracielaApril 23, 2015 05:40PM

Can't write what one can't conceive

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:26AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jean M.April 20, 2015 10:25PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

MarionApril 20, 2015 01:49AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Redson26April 20, 2015 02:45AM

Apologies--I mistyped my name as Redson 26

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:22AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 03:09PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:23PM

Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:46AM

Re: Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

AmytatApril 21, 2015 12:09AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 09:22PM

one more thought Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 11:00PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 08:53PM

Oh, wow!

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 06:33PM

And to add to that...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:31PM

JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

Janice H.April 19, 2015 07:34PM

Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 09:30PM

Re: Really?

Janice HApril 23, 2015 02:58PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 10:02PM

Re: Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:21PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 11:15PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

GabbyCApril 19, 2015 09:12PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:05PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 03:01PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 10:11PM

Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Rae ElaineApril 19, 2015 09:04PM

Re: Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:42PM



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