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Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Redson
April 19, 2015 05:23PM
Jim D. Wrote:
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> He was making a reference to the fact that Darcy
> made an unkind comment about an uncommonly pretty
> girl who happened to be the very girl Mr. Collins
> referenced in the letter, and the very girl Mr.
> Bennet was talking to at the time.
>

Yes, but that is the very point. Back at the beginning of the novel, Mrs. Bennet had made much of the fact that Mr. Darcy thought Elizabeth not tolerable to tempt him. In Mr. Bennet's line about Darcy never looking at women, the implicit message seems to be, Don't worry that this man never thought you attractive or tempting. He is not the kind of man to ever look at women anyway.

Also, Mr. Bennet makes fun of Collins for again getting something so dead wrong.

Then, when Elizabeth, a few days later, tells her father she will marry Darcy after all, he is horrified. Think about it, Mr. Bennet knows this man is rich, intelligent and handsome--those are Darcy's clear and prominent attributes. And any man who requests a daughter's hand in marriage shows the lady and her family respect. He did not demand (despite the exalted rank in society and the power to which Mr. Bennet refers.) Darcy requested. So, why was Mr. Bennet so dead set against it and why did he try to persuade Elizabeth to think twice, nay thrice?

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"Lizzy," said he, "what are you doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man? Have not you always hated him?"

You might say it was because of the last thing Mr. Bennet mentions, that is, Elizabeth had always been very critical of Darcy. But was there more? Mr. Bennet says,
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He is rich, to be sure, and you may have more fine clothes and fine carriages than Jane. But will they make you happy?

Elizabeth does, indeed, ask her father if he has some objection other than Elizabeth's former statements, and Mr. Bennet offers what could be an evasion and tosses the question back on her, still trying to persuade her to change her mind.
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We all know him to be a proud, unpleasant sort of man; but this would be nothing if you really liked him.

He probably thinks Elizabeth will say that Given the advantages, she likes the proud Mr. Darcy well enough and is willing to retreat from her former distaste, now that he is making himself accommodating. It would be a sensible and practical approach to marriage. Mr. Bennet knows Mr. Darcy is no Parson Collins, and yet Mr. Bennet does not give up even when Elizabeth assures him of her honest attachment to Darcy.

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"Lizzy," said her father, "I have given him my consent. He is the kind of man, indeed, to whom I should never dare refuse any thing, which he condescended to ask. I now give it to you, if you are resolved on having him. Note how Mr. Bennet fights it every step of the way--what in his mind could make Darcy so wrong?

But let me advise you to think better of it. I know your disposition, Lizzy. I know that you could be neither happy nor respectable, unless you truly esteemed your husband; What could it possibly be about the intelligent and notably not-a-woman-chaser-or-gamester-or-heavy drinker that Elizabeth would not esteem? That Darcy is dour and serious?

That would seem to be the worst that Mr. Bennet would know of him. Unless Mr. Bennet suspects that on marriage, Elizabeth would learn something else unpleasant about her husband's proclivities?

unless you looked up to him as a superior. Your lively talents would place you in the greatest danger in an unequal marriage. You could scarcely escape discredit and misery. ?????!!!! With such heavy warnings, could Mr. Bennet merely be referring to Mr. Darcy's unlively nature? Doesn't it seem likely there is something more in Mr. Bennet's mind?

My child, let me not have the grief of seeing you unable to respect your partner in life. You know not what you are about."



> In any case, there's nothing about being gay that
> makes it impossible to look at a woman without
> finding a blemish any more than being straight
> means a man can't recognize handsomeness in
> another man.

I agree, Jim, but maybe Mr. Bennet's Regency era attitude toward homosexuality was less enlightened than yours and mine. How would such a father feel to think his daughter was entering into a marriage with a man who would truly never be tempted by her, and to whom he could not say he suspected Mr. Darcy only asked because he wanted a bride who would be close to the bride of his best friend. Mr. Bennet might have felt he knew but could not tell what he knew.

It is (and was) a truth universally acknowledged that during the Regency, homosexuals needed to disguise their true natures, perhaps even with marriage, to avoid prosecution and even death penalties. Mr. Bennet might have been happy enough with Bingley's marriage to Jane, because he thought they were both more easy-going people who could establish rapport. He may have feared Elizabeth would not stand for long with unpleasant truths about her husband.

I am talking about was in Mr. Bennet's mind, obviously, not what we who have read the novel know to be true. We cannot prove it, but I think Mr. Bennet thought Darcy was gay.
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"...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 01:50PM

Consider a third party's input as a factor

Femme MalheureuseApril 21, 2015 08:34PM

Re: Consider a third party's input as a factor

AmytatApril 21, 2015 11:50PM

Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 01:09AM

Re: Elizabeth was uncertain - why not Mr. Bennet as well?

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:47AM

Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 21, 2015 09:59PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

AmytatApril 22, 2015 12:03AM

Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:31AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:17AM

Chapter 45

AmytatApril 27, 2015 08:14PM

Re: Chapter 45

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:43PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 27, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:45PM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 28, 2015 12:32AM

Sorry to cause confusion!

AmytatApril 28, 2015 01:04AM

No problem, Amytat. I only brought it up for Jim D's sake. (nfm)

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:16AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Jim D.April 28, 2015 12:44AM

But that would not explain why Darcy wanted to marry Elizabeth.

GracielaApril 22, 2015 10:07PM

as a fanfic plot...

Harvey S.April 22, 2015 09:45PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

RedsonApril 22, 2015 11:36PM

Re: as a fanfic plot...

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:32AM

Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 27, 2015 12:05PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 27, 2015 10:51PM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

RedsonApril 28, 2015 02:25AM

Re: Plot bunnies--or maybe, plot skunks?

Jim D.April 28, 2015 03:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 22, 2015 11:26AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:47AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 11:51AM

To clarify somewhat better...

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 12:11PM

Re: To clarify somewhat better...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:20PM

Okay, Agnes, let me try again

RedsonApril 23, 2015 04:32PM

Re: Okay, Agnes, let me try again

Agnes BeatrixApril 23, 2015 08:31PM

If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

AmytatApril 25, 2015 03:22AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim D.April 27, 2015 06:36AM

Re: If we’re talking about potential fanfiction

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:47AM

Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 27, 2015 08:47PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 27, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Agnes BeatrixApril 28, 2015 09:50AM

Re: Robinson and Man Friday

Jim G.MApril 28, 2015 11:55AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 22, 2015 01:25AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:19AM

Re: Yes, but again employing my renegade reasoning...

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:59PM

I meant so would he also be in good hands (nfm)

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:34AM

* snort! * (nfm) (nfm)

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:51AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Harvey S.April 21, 2015 11:13PM

Glad to provide some food for thought

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:50AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 21, 2015 10:29PM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

RedsonApril 22, 2015 12:40AM

Re: Now you have got me thinking outside the box--or boxer briefs--again

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 10:52AM

Oh, then I was confused,

AmytatApril 22, 2015 02:32AM

It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 22, 2015 03:19AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

AmytatApril 24, 2015 12:53PM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

RedsonApril 25, 2015 02:13AM

Re: It's a confusing subject, hard to keep it straight winking smiley

MarionApril 22, 2015 11:41PM

Is that true about Catholic priests? They only look at women...

RedsonApril 23, 2015 12:27AM

Life in England in 1813

Jim G.MApril 22, 2015 11:51AM

And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

GracielaApril 22, 2015 04:46AM

Re: And what would be that "incontrovertible evidence"?

AmytatApril 23, 2015 12:05AM

Ha, ha! I read your story and was wondering

GracielaApril 23, 2015 05:40PM

Can't write what one can't conceive

Femme MalheureuseApril 22, 2015 12:26AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jean M.April 20, 2015 10:25PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

MarionApril 20, 2015 01:49AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Redson26April 20, 2015 02:45AM

Apologies--I mistyped my name as Redson 26

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:22AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 03:09PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:23PM

Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

RedsonApril 20, 2015 11:46AM

Re: Okay, I have re-read my argument... (closing words?)

AmytatApril 21, 2015 12:09AM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 09:22PM

one more thought Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 11:00PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim D.April 19, 2015 08:53PM

Oh, wow!

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 06:33PM

And to add to that...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 05:31PM

JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

Janice H.April 19, 2015 07:34PM

Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 09:30PM

Re: Really?

Janice HApril 23, 2015 02:58PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 10:02PM

Re: Really?

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:21PM

Re: Really?

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 11:15PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

GabbyCApril 19, 2015 09:12PM

Re: JA wouldn't have discussed such a topic...

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:05PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Jim G.MApril 19, 2015 03:01PM

Re: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

AmytatApril 19, 2015 10:11PM

Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Rae ElaineApril 19, 2015 09:04PM

Re: Remember/: "...Not that there's anything wrong with that."

RedsonApril 19, 2015 10:42PM



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