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Re: Mansfield Park Fanny/Henry stories?

March 26, 2015 12:03AM
Actually, the 'reformed rake' was a recognized social trope during this time period, and has featured in drama and literature for quite some time. "Reformed rakes make the best husbands" was a concern for Samuel Richardson (author of Pamela) in the late 1700s, but even earlier than that, playwrights like Aphra Behn (the first paid woman playwright) and her contemporaries of the 1600s used the character trope of the rake being reformed in their works (the Feigned Courtesans is a prime example of this). Stories or ideas like these were well-known during Austen's time.

You are right; Austen would not have considered these tales in terms of 'genre' because there were only four main genres of literature (poetry, novel, play and treatise). However, I used the term ' sub-genre' because I wanted to group this idea into a category of literature with similar attributes even if it meant using a more modern label. I'm sorry for the confusion.

I am still not convinced that Austen always intended for Henry to just be a horrible warning about the unreliability of rakes. The structure of Henry's story ( his actions with Maria and Julia in the beginning, his 'game' of trying to make Fanny love him, being caught in his own game, his struggle to appear steadfast even without encouragement) all work towards at least the appearance of change and form a foundation of potential. Fanny is never as interested in Henry as he is in her. This is not Georgiana and Wickham, which by all accounts, was a relationship of seduction. Georgie had to be showed the evils of rakes, but Fanny does not. Her heart is never broken by Henry and Maria, at least not lastingly. But, Henry's is. It could be argued, and is by Mary, that Henry's actions were motivated as much by despair as bad habits. Fanny just sees them as conformation of what she had always known: rakes do not make good husbands. So who is the warning for?

Additionally, we have those glimpses of Henry's thoughts, which in a lot of ways, mirror Darcy's change in perception about Elizabeth. Why include these if not to show that his feelings were real?
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Mansfield Park Fanny/Henry stories?

Rose H.March 25, 2015 12:52AM

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Katharine TMarch 25, 2015 02:25PM

Cannot change his character?

Rose H.March 25, 2015 07:28PM

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Katharine TMarch 25, 2015 10:30PM

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Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 12:43AM

Totally agree with this (nfm)

NickiMarch 25, 2015 10:55PM

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Jim D.March 25, 2015 07:43PM

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Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 01:00AM

Agreed, though

Rose H.March 26, 2015 01:37AM

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Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 02:45AM

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Jim D.March 25, 2015 12:52PM

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Rose H.March 25, 2015 07:58PM

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Amy A-NWMarch 26, 2015 05:21PM

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Jim D.March 26, 2015 03:17AM

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Katharine TMarch 25, 2015 10:42PM

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Rose H.March 26, 2015 12:03AM

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Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 02:50AM

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Katharine TMarch 26, 2015 12:46AM

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Mari A.March 25, 2015 08:32PM

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Janice HMarch 25, 2015 09:29PM

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Rose H.March 26, 2015 12:14AM

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Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 03:09AM

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Shannon KMarch 25, 2015 02:19AM

Totally agree! (nfm)

InesMarch 28, 2015 03:13PM

I second that!

Janice HMarch 25, 2015 02:40PM

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Katharine TMarch 25, 2015 03:09PM



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