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A minority opinion

Redson
April 06, 2015 11:45PM
Jim G.M Wrote:
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> Ref the piano playing, Agnes. I mentioned this
> because I don't recall the book telling us of any
> other occasion when Darcy could have observed a
> specific want of propriety in Mr Bennet. I have to
> assume there were such occasions but I'm just not
> sure where, or when, they would have occurred. I
> can, to some degree blame the TV series which gave
> Lizzie a flashback of the piano event as she read
> Darcy's letter. Possibly that was misleading.
> That apart I know of none other(and I have done a
> cursory search). Mr Bennet's silence was remarked
> upon as they all waited to leave the Netherfield
> Ball and on other occasions, ie visiting, and
> later entertaining Bingley (he did this even
> before the assembley) he seemed to behave with
> creditable propriety. As I've remarked before, a
> saving man he wasn't, but that apart, seemed
> little worse than any other character of equal
> standing?
>
> I think we'll just have to say we'll see him as we
> see him, obviously differently.


I must confess, I have not been in general agreement with Jim G.M. during this conversation, which has digressed from whether he should publish his fanciful pieces on a nicer, kinder and lovingly dufus Mr. Collins; to how bad a parent Mr. Bennet is.

Jim, I encourage you to publish if that is what you wish. An author can never know whether he will find a paying audience until he puts himself out there for sale. So, into the wind, sail on!

Now, regarding Mr. Bennet, is he sometimes drawn in television portrayals as more negligent and apathetic to his family than he really is? This particular passage from the text suggests he is a frustrated man coping with his wife's nerves and inconsistencies (Mrs. Bennet can voice two completely different thoughts as the same time and no degree of explanation can light a candle for her), and his teenage daughter's (Lydia, an unpleasant little piece of business) stubbornness?

Ever had teenage daughters? No one has a pipeline to the truth like a teenage girl who thinks she knows everything and who knows absolutely nothing, because she will not listen. Not all teenage girls, but some of them. In this, I feel for Mr. Bennet.

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They could talk of nothing but officers; and Mr. Bingley's large fortune, the mention of which gave animation to their mother, was worthless in their eyes when opposed to the regimentals of an ensign.

After listening one morning to their effusions on this subject, Mr. Bennet coolly observed,

"From all that I can collect by your manner of talking, you must be two of the silliest girls in the country. I have suspected it some time, but I am now convinced."

Catherine was disconcerted, and made no answer; but Lydia, with perfect indifference, continued to express her admiration of Captain Carter, and her hope of seeing him in the course of the day, as he was going the next morning to London.

"I am astonished, my dear," said Mrs. Bennet, "that you should be so ready to think your own children silly. If I wished to think slightingly of any body's children, it should not be of my own, however."

"If my children are silly I must hope to be always sensible of it."

"Yes -- but as it happens, they are all of them very clever."

"This is the only point, I flatter myself, on which we do not agree. I had hoped that our sentiments coincided in every particular, but I must so far differ from you as to think our two youngest daughters uncommonly foolish."

"My dear Mr. Bennet, you must not expect such girls to have the sense of their father and mother. -- When they get to our age, I dare say they will not think about officers any more than we do. I remember the time when I liked a red coat myself very well -- and indeed, so I do still at my heart; and if a smart young colonel, with five or six thousand a year, should want one of my girls, I shall not say nay to him; and I thought Colonel Forster looked very becoming the other night at Sir William's in his regimentals."

And there in a snapshot (not that the Regency has Kodaks or smartphones, LOL) Mrs. Bennet, still a silly teenage girl at heart, and so she will ever be. So, yes, Mr. Bennet is probably as bad a father as some argue here, and Mrs. Bennet is good to offer her daughters some support. But I can see how living with Mrs. Bennet is not fun. Mr. Bennet has a claim to some sympathy from me, although I think he could have done better in insisting upon economies that would had help his daughters' futures. As it was, if he had had a son, the poor man would hardly have the freedom to marry because his first priority would have had to be taking care of his sisters. That hardly seems fair, does it? Mr. Bennet would have been the only one who had an easy ride of it. He married a pretty girl and spent much of his time after in leisure, in his library. His son would not have such an easy life because he could hardly think about marriage with four or five millstones hung around his neck.
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Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 19, 2015 07:14PM

Re: Hunsford.

AmytatApril 11, 2015 07:03PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MApril 11, 2015 09:26PM

Re: Hunsford.

Amy A-NWMarch 26, 2015 07:13PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 26, 2015 09:16PM

Re: Hunsford.

PearlMarch 20, 2015 06:40PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 21, 2015 12:05PM

Re: Hunsford.

Harvey S.March 21, 2015 10:20PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 21, 2015 10:37PM

Re: Hunsford.

AlidaMarch 22, 2015 12:31AM

Re: Hunsford.

AdelaideMarch 22, 2015 01:40AM

Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

Agnes BeatrixMarch 26, 2015 06:25PM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

Jim G.MMarch 26, 2015 09:11PM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

AmytatApril 12, 2015 04:26PM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

Jim G.MApril 13, 2015 10:40AM

Mocking

AmytatApril 14, 2015 03:03AM

Re: Mocking

Jim G.MApril 14, 2015 11:29AM

Re: Mocking

AmytatApril 16, 2015 12:03PM

Re: Mocking

Jim G.MApril 16, 2015 12:57PM

Re: Mocking

AmytatApril 16, 2015 11:53PM

Appearances

Debra McApril 14, 2015 06:16PM

Re: Mocking

Mari A.April 14, 2015 01:57PM

Re: Mocking

Jim G.MApril 15, 2015 11:00AM

Amytat, I agree with you

AdelaideApril 14, 2015 11:09AM

Re: Amytat, I agree with you

AmytatApril 14, 2015 08:40PM

Re: Amytat, I agree with you

Jim G.MApril 14, 2015 01:00PM

Error? Did things get a little muddled here?

AmytatApril 14, 2015 08:37PM

Mr. Collins and Charlotte

AdelaideApril 14, 2015 01:17AM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

Agnes BeatrixApril 03, 2015 08:55PM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

Jim G.MApril 03, 2015 11:20PM

Re: Mr. Bennet and Mr. Collins

AdelaideMarch 26, 2015 09:09PM

Mr Bennet

Harvey S.March 23, 2015 05:44AM

Re: Mr Bennet

AdelaideMarch 23, 2015 11:04AM

Re: Mr Bennet

Jean M.March 23, 2015 08:20PM

I could not agree more

Harvey S.March 28, 2015 08:44PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MMarch 29, 2015 12:18AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Mari A.April 01, 2015 08:16AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 01, 2015 01:31PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Mari A.April 02, 2015 09:20AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jean M.April 01, 2015 06:28PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

AmytatApril 12, 2015 04:53PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

KarenteaApril 01, 2015 10:34PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

AdelaideApril 01, 2015 10:59PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Harvey S.April 02, 2015 03:02AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 02, 2015 10:54AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Harvey S.April 05, 2015 06:26AM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 05, 2015 12:12PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Harvey S.April 07, 2015 05:26PM

Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Jean M.April 05, 2015 02:05PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Harvey S.April 07, 2015 05:27PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Jim G.MApril 05, 2015 04:08PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Harvey S.April 07, 2015 05:05PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Agnes BeatrixApril 06, 2015 08:04PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

AmytatApril 12, 2015 10:19PM

A point for Mr Bennet.

Jim G.MApril 06, 2015 11:49PM

Re: A point for Mr Bennet.

Harvey S.April 07, 2015 05:31PM

Re: A point for Mr Bennet.

Jim G.MApril 07, 2015 07:50PM

Re: A point for Mr Bennet.

Harvey S.April 09, 2015 04:49PM

Well actually...

Suzanne OApril 08, 2015 07:03PM

Re: Well actually...

Jim G.MApril 08, 2015 08:41PM

Re: Well actually...

AmytatApril 09, 2015 06:26PM

Re: Well actually...

Suzanne OApril 08, 2015 11:04PM

Re: Well actually...

Jim G.MApril 08, 2015 11:46PM

Re: Well actually...

Suzanne OApril 09, 2015 01:34AM

Thank you Suzanne

Debra McApril 08, 2015 11:42PM

Re: Thank you Suzanne

Harvey S.April 09, 2015 04:56PM

Re: Thank you Suzanne

Jim G.MApril 09, 2015 10:37AM

Re: Thank you Suzanne

Harvey S.April 09, 2015 05:02PM

Re: A point for Mr Bennet.

AdelaideApril 07, 2015 11:59AM

Re: A point for Mr Bennet.

Jim G.MApril 07, 2015 02:04PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Jim G.MApril 06, 2015 09:26PM

A minority opinion

RedsonApril 06, 2015 11:45PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

AdelaideApril 05, 2015 03:04PM

Re: Has Mr. Bennet's character changed?

Harvey S.April 07, 2015 05:46PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Agnes BeatrixApril 03, 2015 08:35PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 03, 2015 11:08PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Agnes BeatrixApril 04, 2015 09:29PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 04, 2015 10:38PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

JanetRApril 04, 2015 07:23PM

Re: I could not agree more. ?

Jim G.MApril 04, 2015 07:35PM

I'm not sure what you mean

GracielaApril 06, 2015 05:41AM

Re: I'm not sure what you mean

Jim G.MApril 06, 2015 11:12AM

Re: Mr Bennet

Suzanne OMarch 26, 2015 03:15AM

Great comments, Jean M, IMO

AdelaideMarch 23, 2015 09:34PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 22, 2015 11:52AM

Re: Hunsford.

AdelaideMarch 22, 2015 01:02PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jim G.MMarch 22, 2015 04:05PM

Re: Hunsford.

AlidaMarch 22, 2015 10:28AM

Re: Hunsford.

AdelaideMarch 22, 2015 12:52PM

Re: Hunsford.

AlidaMarch 23, 2015 05:11AM

Re: Hunsford.

AdelaideMarch 23, 2015 11:21AM

Re: Hunsford.

AlidaMarch 23, 2015 08:19PM

Re: Hunsford.

Jean M.March 23, 2015 08:32PM

Re: Hunsford.

mpinneyMarch 20, 2015 12:10PM

I definitely think so! nfm

KarenteaMarch 19, 2015 08:07PM



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